Radiocaster: @Mahyar: Kazerad has advertised his comics on porn websites before. I can't speak for the man, but I really don't think he cares. I also find it funny to say this isn't natural when it's nudity. Y'aint born with clothes on, you can't get more natural than nude!
Ofeerz: @Mahyar: Not trying to be rude, but hold my hand when I tell you that Kaz himself has drawn nude/suggestive artwork of either Katia or Rajirra in the past. Out of all internet characters you could've chosen, I don't think this is the best one to be infantilizing like that.
Mahyar: We talked about it before, that all this is just to stimulate the mating instinct... The important thing is that humans are in the primate group, humans are an advanced type of animal, so they have the same old animal instinct.
Mahyar: Well, look... it's useless. It was once for mating, but now? We're licking an LCD! Why? Because instinct dictates, but where do we discharge it? On a miserable virtual cat who was drunk and ra*ped all her life (yes, you're right, kazerad himself hated Katya)
Mahyar: @radiocaster: Katia is miserable... She didn't get lucky in her story, nor from fans, nor from paintings... It's like the whole world hates her... What's the problem with people with her? Whenever we search "Katia Managan" on Google, 90% of the photos are Katia's ass and pussy (I apologize for my language... of course, what's the point)
Mahyar: @Radiocaster: And why am I so greedy like a vegetable steamer? Because I don't like to see Katia become a consumer toy... Yes! I like to keep it in the artistic/comic framework (even in the story, Kazerad never directly showed nudity or the scenes where the Orc ra.p.ed her, even when he wanted to show his nudity he at least threw in a censored frame!
Mahyar: I'm not saying "this content bothers me."
I'm asking why such content should exist in the first place.
My objection is about respecting the character.
Why should a humorous, narrative-driven character be reduced to a sexualized toy?
This isn't about sensitivity or personal discomfort.
It's about preserving the artistic integrity of a character whose creator intentionally avoided explicit content.
Mahyar: Alright, let's look at this from a neurobiological perspective.
When people see a character, the first systems that react are the fast sensory reward circuits.
Low level pattern detectors send the image straight to the limbic system, where the amygdala and nucleus accumbens generate quick reward predictions.
Anything that triggers a rapid dopamine response gets prioritized automatically.
Narrative intent, character depth, and the creator’s boundaries are processed much later in the prefrontal cortex, the slow and energy heavy part of the brain.
So many individuals default to whatever interpretation produces the fastest reward with the least cognitive effort.
Radiocaster: @Mahyar: If Kazerad felt so strongly about how his characters are used, then why would this website be linked to on the offical webcomic page, and why would Kazerad post here? From that I can definitely infer that Kazerad is okay with people drawing his characters nude. I also feel like it's very reductive (and perhaps even dangerous) to equate all depictions of nudity to sexualization and objectification, especially considering that such thing as artistic nudity exists. I think it's natural to express your sexual desires in a healthy way such as with art, and I bet a lot of people would agree with me. I'm sorry, but I don't think there's any conclusion to this aside from "agree to disagree".
Also, "And why am I so greedy like a vegetable steamer" is probably the funniest thing I've read all week.
NotGodOkay: Don't put me up as a racist when I say that @Mahyar: is just fooling what his country's culture is saying to him. I don't know what land they're in but from the name I can assume it's one of Those countries with strick religious following. They bring up science (That might as well be Google searched idk) because of desperation whilst they know nothing about how art works. Considering they take graphics from the comic itself, put them in a background they took from image searching and add filtering to them. This means they're not a good artist, was never raised to be a good artist and are spreading his flawed ideology on how art works onto people because that's how his world works according to him. Kazerad is American, so he's more free to do what he wants outside of any middle eastern rules.
I can tell all this because my land suffered because of people like Mahyar. People are different. Accept that!
damrok4321: @Ofeerz Really nice art, kinda sad to see that the comment space under it is getting filled by ranting of some unhinged dude who clearly doesn't seem to understand what art actually is about or the distiction between porn and artistic nudity; trying to project his beliefs onto others in the most anti social way i've seen in a while. Don't worry about it and know that you did a nice job. She looks very pretty and cute.
GrizzlyBear: @NotGodOkay: He doesn’t sound religious to me, just a snooty know-it-all. “Logic and knowledge are my weapons” lmfao. Rings like your typical Reddit atheist
You aren’t above these impulses either, Mahyar. What do you think led you here in the first place? You think Katia is cute and you sympathize with her struggles, like most of us here. This is you responding to these base animalistic instincts, even though she isn’t real and only exists on your computer screen! Why? Because it’s all in good fun. The comic, the fanart, even the schadenfreude we engage in with Katia. There’s nothing wrong with nudity if it can be handled maturely and with respect, which this art does.
But as someone who IS religious, I do see a speck of truth in what you’re saying. The problem though, lies in overindulgence and addiction to these impulses. It can lead people to dark places, porn addiction, gross fetishes, violence, gambling, etc. Your emotions and instincts can be a good guide through life but they can absolutely lead you astray. It’s okay to indulge a bit, but you must have self-control and not get funneled down the path to depravity and dysfunction
NotGodOkay: @GrizzlyBear: I wasn't technically calling him religious fully. Just someone affected by religion and it's people. But I might be wrong saying he was religious since I know badly about speech patterns and recognition.
asdf123: lmaoing at these users sermonizing on open-mindedness while ganging up on a dude like a pack of territorial dogs
all because he shared his honest thoughts on what constitutes art and they were not 100% politically correct
one can acknowledge porn as being tied to brainrot without necessarily promoting a censorship crusade
Radiocaster: @asdf123: It was not the fact that these acknowledgements were made, but the way in which they were made that prompted my response. They may not have intended to come off as rude or demanding, but the way they presented themselves gave that impression. Their statements were unhelpful, rooted in emotional responses, and thinly veiled in attempts to sound intelligent without tact. I simply struggle to see purely genuine intentions instead of someone venting their frustration while asking questions they may have already formed an opinion on. Had they been more respectful from the get-go, we probably could have avoided this whole argument.
damrok4321: @asdf123: I'd say the only one who's going on a censorship crusade is the guy who created this whole rant about porn and instincts, even though this post pretty clearly is not porn and it doesn't violate the booru's rules. It's not just sharing his thoughts, it's effectively demonizing everyone and acting condescending, sanctimonious and self-righteous while being completely blind to how obnoxious he comes across, especially while using the comment section to spam about his own beliefs and turn what should be a space for appreciating the artwork into a nuisance for everyone else. If he's so sensitive to a nude body he shouldn't be clicking on questionable posts in the first place, the blacklist option exists too. This whole thing doesn’t read as anything other than a self-appointed moral crusader. Someone who’s convinced he’s “figured it out” and now feels entitled to lecture others, with little awareness of how juvenile and egocentric he comes across. So don't be surprised that people respond and critique this kind of behavior.
Aside from that, it's quite curious that i see your account got created around 16 hours ago, you have zero activity on the booru prior to this post, I really hope it's not you @Mahyar trying to support yourself with an alt account, coz that'd be just extremely sad. If not, I hope what i just said explains to you why users that you're "lmaoing" at are understandably frustrated with that kind of behavior.
Mahyar: @NotGodOkay: I am not entirely against banning sexual “fan‑art” for other characters (e.g. rajirra); that decision is entirely up to the individual. My problem is limited to the fact that a specific character—katia, who is defined as a source of humor and story—is turned into a sexual object. If the same kind of sexualization‑entertainment were applied to an antagonist (e.g. rajirra), I would have no problem with it, because the antagonist’s role in the narrative is usually negative and anti‑heroic, and his transformation into a sexual object does not interfere with the main purpose of the story (which is to focus on humor and the main character). This position separates my stance from any religious considerations or restrictions; it is based purely on cognitive principles and on preserving narrative coherence.
asdf123: @Radiocaster: @damrok4321:
nah, i don't see any of the rudeness you two are implying.
the replies he got are far more bellicose and preachy than anything he said so far.
his posting style is funny, maybe a bit strange but he does not come across as malicious to me, just passionate.
i can only imagine how an actual asshole would make you feel.
GrizzlyBear: @Mahyar:
This is the fanart site, not the comic itself. There’s no need for narrative cohesion here. Besides, this isn’t at all out of character for her y’know. She actually does have a habit of losing all of her clothes in the comic. Again, did you even read it?
GrizzlyBear: She quite literally is treated like a sex object in the comic, though she’s aspiring to be something more. Kaz manages to make it simultaneously funny and tragic
Mahyar: @GrizzlyBear: Yes, I read the comic. And I saw that poor Katia was constantly getting drunk, losing her clothes and then someone ra.ped her... Yes, I read it. But! Whenever Katia got naked, firstly it was an accident, not intentional, secondly there was always a censorship frame on her body (not like this picture where Katia's ass is in the frame) and of course the atmosphere of the comic was comedy! There was never a direct sexual atmosphere, even if Katia got naked or used adult language. Katia Managan's comic is in the 18+ category, but the atmosphere is not considered sexual. It's mostly comedy, like Family Guy! Sometimes it has adult jokes but never shows sexual organs.
Mahyar: @asdf123: I just told them that this art style is bad for a comic character, because it's a comedic/bitter story, it has adult language but it never directly shows the explicit content. And you know what they did? They attacked! Like a locust! They didn't even listen to what I was saying! I'm talking about respecting the character, but they called me "religious" they told me "you get information from Google" they told me "you're not an artist, you just know how to cut a picture from a comic and put it in a picture" But I never made fun of their art, even if you scroll down you can see I admired this art and said: I admire the design, the shading, the effort, everything! But not this content... because it was made to stimulate instinct... Meaning we are human, we shouldn't rely on old instincts like our cavemen ancestors, we should be honorable... But alas... I'm a clown! Why? Because if I weren't a clown, I wouldn't be here to have a philosophical discussion... Now compare for yourself, who is more ruthless...
Mahyar: And the difference between me and them is this: they are many, I am alone. They attack, I defend. They promote base reproductive instincts, I promote honor.
Mahyar: @damrok4321: @asdf123 may be new here, but he’s clearly paying attention.
Understanding doesn’t come from account age, it comes from actually listening.
Zargothrax: @Mahyar: He did. You can read about it in this 9 year old reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/furry_irl/comments/67l6pl/furry_irl/, where someone wrote "Found prequel through an ad on [REDACTED] lml. Kazerad knows his potential audience" and you can even see what the ad looked like in the replies. There were multiple versions of it apparently, such as .
Some even made fun of this, many years ago, here on the booru. See: >>6565 "This is something that if Kazrad knew it existed, he would use his server hard drive as a nutcracker... " He drew Katia naked before, without censoring rectangles too, for example here >>8348 or here >>3938 . This one is also of note, although it doesn't feature full on nudity: >>5247 If you want to continue whatever it is that you're trying to achieve here, then do so on your own behalf, not Kazerad's. He does not need, nor want someone to sermonize for him, especially not about the ideologies you are presenting here.
Kazerad: :0 oh wow, I missed a lot. For what it's worth, I feel like everyone involved has kept the conversation surprisingly cordial. It's interesting to see the perspectives clash, though I feel like I should apologize to Ofeerz that it's happening in the comments on his drawing. Sorry, this happens every once in a while, I think the last time was the pic of Katia holding a trans pride flag.
Anyway, like, Zargothrax and others have got at, I'm not opposed to the existence of lewd Katia art. Even the Weirder Stuff that gets made, I usually try take it in good humor; I've had other projects before Prequel and can say from experience that Rule 34 ("If it exists, there's porn of it") really is a constant no matter how obscure your stuff is, and as a creator you just have to get used to it. It also helps that I was in research psychology before art, so I'm used to watching people do weird things. At least personally, I'm not going to be upset at anything you guys make.
An argument could be made that art like this is against the comic's themes, but I feel like one of the major themes in the comic is that stuff doesn't fit neatly into categories. Every character has a lot of stuff going on, often in ways that seem contradictory (Katia's relationship with sexuality being a prime example), and entities like the Ideal Masters that would be antagonists in some contexts are effectively protagonists in the context of the story. To blanket-categorize any kind of art as good or bad would run against one of the comic's major messages, which is that people don't always come in simple packages.
Mahyar: I see a new piece has arrived-titled “Haters gonna hate.”
Okay. Thank you for making it clear that you operate like dictators.
Instead of engaging, you silence opposition and double down on stubbornness.
Fine. Create whatever you want. This is you, this is your pen, this is your booru with 2009 graphics.
Create and enjoy.
Mahyar: @NotGodOkay: What are you all even mad about?
You got what you wanted, your art, your booru, and your little mob victory.
Enjoy it. I’m done caring. It’s clear this isn’t a space for discussion but childish stubbornness.
Ofeerz: @Kazerad: Hey Kaz!
There's really nothing to apologize for, in my opinion. I think I've lurked around this website for long enough to know that this sort of discussion is extremely rare in this community, so no offense taken with any of this. ^^
I'm just surprised to see that it had to happen on my artwork, as I thought it was pretty tame for the booru (Well, as tame as anything with the "questionable" tag can get to be.) and it really wasn't meant to be pornographic, asides from the polar opposite theme this painting portrays compared to the webcomic, plus the clear and untypical nudity.
Anyways, hopefully what comes after this is peace. I think I've had my fun reloading this page from time to time, just to see each one's perspective on it since the start for the last couple of days, But things should be settled by now. I strongly believe that there are many different irrelevant things people should be actually worried about, instead of some random furry butt drawing on the internet.
Mahyar: @Ofeerz: Hey, sorry about the misunderstanding.
I didn’t mean any harm; I was just sharing my personal reaction. The comment about Kazerad “turning his server into a nutcracker” was meant purely as a joke, not an insult. Your drawing is genuinely very well done; my issue was only with the content, not the quality or your intent. I didn’t expect it to turn into people labeling me as controlling or pro-censorship.
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I'm asking why such content should exist in the first place.
My objection is about respecting the character.
Why should a humorous, narrative-driven character be reduced to a sexualized toy?
This isn't about sensitivity or personal discomfort.
It's about preserving the artistic integrity of a character whose creator intentionally avoided explicit content.
That's the point.
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When people see a character, the first systems that react are the fast sensory reward circuits.
Low level pattern detectors send the image straight to the limbic system, where the amygdala and nucleus accumbens generate quick reward predictions.
Anything that triggers a rapid dopamine response gets prioritized automatically.
Narrative intent, character depth, and the creator’s boundaries are processed much later in the prefrontal cortex, the slow and energy heavy part of the brain.
So many individuals default to whatever interpretation produces the fastest reward with the least cognitive effort.
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Also, "And why am I so greedy like a vegetable steamer" is probably the funniest thing I've read all week.
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I can tell all this because my land suffered because of people like Mahyar. People are different. Accept that!
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You aren’t above these impulses either, Mahyar. What do you think led you here in the first place? You think Katia is cute and you sympathize with her struggles, like most of us here. This is you responding to these base animalistic instincts, even though she isn’t real and only exists on your computer screen! Why? Because it’s all in good fun. The comic, the fanart, even the schadenfreude we engage in with Katia. There’s nothing wrong with nudity if it can be handled maturely and with respect, which this art does.
But as someone who IS religious, I do see a speck of truth in what you’re saying. The problem though, lies in overindulgence and addiction to these impulses. It can lead people to dark places, porn addiction, gross fetishes, violence, gambling, etc. Your emotions and instincts can be a good guide through life but they can absolutely lead you astray. It’s okay to indulge a bit, but you must have self-control and not get funneled down the path to depravity and dysfunction
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You still speak the truth here. Good speech.
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all because he shared his honest thoughts on what constitutes art and they were not 100% politically correct
one can acknowledge porn as being tied to brainrot without necessarily promoting a censorship crusade
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Aside from that, it's quite curious that i see your account got created around 16 hours ago, you have zero activity on the booru prior to this post, I really hope it's not you @Mahyar trying to support yourself with an alt account, coz that'd be just extremely sad. If not, I hope what i just said explains to you why users that you're "lmaoing" at are understandably frustrated with that kind of behavior.
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nah, i don't see any of the rudeness you two are implying.
the replies he got are far more bellicose and preachy than anything he said so far.
his posting style is funny, maybe a bit strange but he does not come across as malicious to me, just passionate.
i can only imagine how an actual asshole would make you feel.
This is the fanart site, not the comic itself. There’s no need for narrative cohesion here. Besides, this isn’t at all out of character for her y’know. She actually does have a habit of losing all of her clothes in the comic. Again, did you even read it?
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Understanding doesn’t come from account age, it comes from actually listening.
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Some even made fun of this, many years ago, here on the booru. See: >>6565
"This is something that if Kazrad knew it existed, he would use his server hard drive as a nutcracker... " He drew Katia naked before, without censoring rectangles too, for example here >>8348 or here >>3938 . This one is also of note, although it doesn't feature full on nudity: >>5247
If you want to continue whatever it is that you're trying to achieve here, then do so on your own behalf, not Kazerad's. He does not need, nor want someone to sermonize for him, especially not about the ideologies you are presenting here.
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Anyway, like, Zargothrax and others have got at, I'm not opposed to the existence of lewd Katia art. Even the Weirder Stuff that gets made, I usually try take it in good humor; I've had other projects before Prequel and can say from experience that Rule 34 ("If it exists, there's porn of it") really is a constant no matter how obscure your stuff is, and as a creator you just have to get used to it. It also helps that I was in research psychology before art, so I'm used to watching people do weird things. At least personally, I'm not going to be upset at anything you guys make.
An argument could be made that art like this is against the comic's themes, but I feel like one of the major themes in the comic is that stuff doesn't fit neatly into categories. Every character has a lot of stuff going on, often in ways that seem contradictory (Katia's relationship with sexuality being a prime example), and entities like the Ideal Masters that would be antagonists in some contexts are effectively protagonists in the context of the story. To blanket-categorize any kind of art as good or bad would run against one of the comic's major messages, which is that people don't always come in simple packages.
Sometimes they also come in Katia.
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Okay. Thank you for making it clear that you operate like dictators.
Instead of engaging, you silence opposition and double down on stubbornness.
Fine. Create whatever you want. This is you, this is your pen, this is your booru with 2009 graphics.
Create and enjoy.
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You got what you wanted, your art, your booru, and your little mob victory.
Enjoy it. I’m done caring. It’s clear this isn’t a space for discussion but childish stubbornness.
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There's really nothing to apologize for, in my opinion. I think I've lurked around this website for long enough to know that this sort of discussion is extremely rare in this community, so no offense taken with any of this. ^^
I'm just surprised to see that it had to happen on my artwork, as I thought it was pretty tame for the booru (Well, as tame as anything with the "questionable" tag can get to be.) and it really wasn't meant to be pornographic, asides from the polar opposite theme this painting portrays compared to the webcomic, plus the clear and untypical nudity.
Anyways, hopefully what comes after this is peace. I think I've had my fun reloading this page from time to time, just to see each one's perspective on it since the start for the last couple of days, But things should be settled by now. I strongly believe that there are many different irrelevant things people should be actually worried about, instead of some random furry butt drawing on the internet.
Take care, you guys. :)
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I didn’t mean any harm; I was just sharing my personal reaction. The comment about Kazerad “turning his server into a nutcracker” was meant purely as a joke, not an insult. Your drawing is genuinely very well done; my issue was only with the content, not the quality or your intent. I didn’t expect it to turn into people labeling me as controlling or pro-censorship.