Tahrey: Also I just remembered what this was strongly reminding me of - the claymation figures in one of Michael Jackson's 80s videos (featured as an integral part of "Moonwalker"). Have you a background in this sort of thing or did you just wing it?
Tahrey: Who me? I haven't bought any... I might have two or three lurking in the stationary drawer at home, but otherwise I don't have any crayons to use. So, um... "no". Sorry :D
But it is a pretty neat idea, you can in fact get crayola modelling kits now, I saw whilst looking those up. I'd like to have a try at using them as paint, even if it just turned out abstract. The difficult thing would be keeping a palette of them liquid without serious danger to life and limb. Might need to use a bain marie or something, with suitable cladding to ensure all the steam escaped from the far side...
Tahrey: 'kinell. ok. if you're on a narrow screen like me, then that stupid popup thing with the post writer's name is probably appearing in EXACTLY the wrong place. So, to condense:
Tahrey: Interesting. I thought it was a little larger for some reason but that's still a good size. If you made a full body to go with it'd stand pretty tall.
Anyway, turns out you can buy packs of single colours separately, but they are really stupidly expensive, especially considering that other specialist colour-tone packs are far more reasonably priced even if you wouldn't call them cheap.
What you might find more useful and affordable are the "class packs", which are actually pretty cheap when you consider them purely in terms of buying crayons in general (the worst value 144-piece standard size pack is still about what you'd pay per-crayon for a basic unbranded set in a discount store, a pack offering 144 large crayons is nearly the same price even though you get 50% more coloured wax overall, and if you want to get really serious the 800-crayon super pack is an absolute steal, though sadly the latter lacks white and three others vs the first two) and aren't too shabby when you think of it as a way to get single colours either as it's still about half the price of buying them without all the others...
Something else that might be of interest to you, if you're not just melting down Ikea budget tea-lights to get your plain base, are these things, which is basically crayolas without pigment...
Oh, and the 200-piece set might no longer exist, but you can certainly still get a 152-piece one, with each crayon being a unique colour...
Tahrey: Well, turns out you can buy packs of single colours separately, but [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crayola-Bulk-Crayons-Large-White/dp/B0044SBIBO/ref=sr_1_138?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1454490199&sr=1-138"]they are[/url] really [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crayola-Formerly-Binney-BIN520836034-Crayons/dp/B0044SEJMO/ref=sr_1_163?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1454490228&sr=1-163"]stupidly expensive[/url], especially considering that other specialist colour-tone packs are far more [url=="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crayola-02-0844-8-Multicultural-Crayons/dp/B000NPBLS2/ref=sr_1_77?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1454490132&sr=1-77"]reasonably priced[/url] even if you wouldn't call them cheap.
What you might find more useful and affordable are the "class packs", which are actually pretty cheap when you consider them purely in terms of buying crayons in general (the worst value [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crayola-Education-First-Crayon-Classpack/dp/B00FZQH1GK/ref=sr_1_10?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1454490062&sr=1-10"]144-piece standard size[/url] pack is still about what you'd pay per-crayon for a basic unbranded set in a discount store, a pack offering [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crayola-144-Giant-Crayon-Assorted/dp/B000NPBLSC/ref=sr_1_26?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1454490086&sr=1-26"]144 large crayons[/url] is nearly the same price even though you get 50% more coloured wax overall, and if you want to get really serious the [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Classpack-Regular-Crayons-Colors-800/dp/B00006IFAH/ref=sr_1_95?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1454490132&sr=1-95"]800-crayon super pack[/url] is an absolute steal, though sadly the latter lacks white and three others vs the first two) and aren't too shabby when you think of it as a way to get single colours either as it's still about half the price of buying them without all the others...
Something else that might be of interest to you, if you're not just melting down Ikea budget tea-lights to get your plain base, are [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wax-Resist-Sticks-Creating-Special/dp/B0094GEUUM/ref=pd_sim_sbs_21_3?ie=UTF8&dpID=51c%2BeDqCFpL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=11WRTZKFDCM7ZZR7EHRT"]these things[/url], which is basically crayolas without pigment...
Oh, and the 200-piece set might no longer exist, but you can certainly still get [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/PACK-Crayola-Ultimate-Crayon-152-Crayons/dp/B00KKXCWLC/ref=sr_1_97?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1454490159&sr=1-97"]a 152-piece one[/url], with each crayon being a unique colour...
Tahrey: As in the thickness of the lines you've used (for the whole picture) seem to over emphasise the bones / tendons in their hands somewhat and they look a bit ... skeletal. Like they haven't eaten enough, or are a lot older than they otherwise look, or have lost the obscuring fur or scales that would otherwise overlay the skin those bones are showing through :)
(remember Katia's skin is actually a fairly lurid pink, as that of reptiles also tends to be, when it's not blue anyhow...)
Tahrey: All this synthwave revival of late, I love it... it's so bad.
One in return: it's not the full album and i'm not sure if it's in the proper, but it's mainly cutting out interstitial bits of atmospheric noises and such. Good for getting stuff done in the headphones. Will have to try it in the car now I've finally got my walkman working again and rooted out an aux cable (yeah, they released it on cassette...)
Tahrey: In fact ... the only places I can reliably state Katia as having that look to her ears is in some of the bigger flashes (RPGs and mouse-driven action games), particularly Extrapolate which had some gorgeous art in it, and even then she only seemed to have pink insides rather than a tuft-outline in a single shot.
So, complaint withdrawn. It just looks a bit odd when combined with that nicely-shaded style of yours; in flat-shaded cartoonery it seems more natural as the details are reduced anyway (even if Kaz is reducing that one more than most people do ;)... but, you are after all following the vast majority of source material and I'm just mis-remembering... so, mea culpa, and my apologies. Derp.
Tahrey: ...that said, I've gone back to the source, and normalsprite!Katia actually does just have solid-yellow-triangle ears in most scenes, so I guess I'm on the losing end of this argument :) ... in fact the only canon drawings of her I've found so far after a couple minutes of zipping through the archives is when she's drawn in nightmare-vision. So her anxiety-ridden self image is one of someone who looks like that, but otherwise what we see is different...
(otherwise I would otherwise have capitulated anyway that the other pic has her with someone what droopy, lowered ears, which would make the insides less visible - you should still be able to see them and get an idea that they're hollow half-cones, but it'd be far less marked and depending on exact breed/species it might only be marked by a tuft of maybe-or-maybe-not differently coloured fur)
Tahrey: (and, hell, apart from that, they're some of the better drawn ones I've seen in a while, and I know well enough that they're often really difficult to get right)
Tahrey: When I said "backwards" before, I meant that they give the impression of being turned around 180 degrees. Cat ears, when you look at real ones or how they're usually drawn, face sort of forwardsa and outwards at about 45 degrees, so when a character is looking towards you, you should be able to see "into" at least one of them. That is, when drawn in cartoonish distance-view Prequel style, there's a pink area and a suggestion of concavity.
Here and more particularly in your previous full colour image, it looked like they were either facing in the exact opposite direction to that - IE backwards and inwards - OR were closed-off cones of unknown purpose, but probably not meant for capturing and concentrating soundwaves in a directional fashion. Ears are functional things, not just decorative - although there are some anime artists who forget that in a rather weird way and give their cat-people both human AND animal ears o_O
That said, it's only a small thing and fairly easy to alter ... On this lineart it would need only one, maybe two extra brush strokes (one on her left ear, from tip to hair, in a curve vaguely matching but inside of and tighter than the existing upper left/more horizontal line; and maybe a second on her right ear, tracing a similar route but being even closer to, but still inside of and exaggerating the curve of the lower-left/more vertical line) ....
... and I'm still quite eager to see how it looks when finished and coloured in because I really like your style and skill even when it's just plain outlines like this.
((might also wanna lose the digital clock though, unless that's either a calendar or it's meant to be magically powered ;))
Tahrey: too bad she doesn't come back in at the left at the same time as disappearing off the right, because that means what I'm about to attempt probably won't work unless the browser GIF playback timings muck up in exactly the right way.
Tahrey: I think this is pretty cool overall, and particularly the way you've used shading to suggest the shape of her face (and fur, and the folds of the cloak... and fingers) without any actual outlines is A1.
Tahrey: Neat idea, anyway :) ... like, a bit of Mortal Kombat, or maybe a small RPG element, to what would otherwise be a simplistic platformer. Could even end up deciding how the game ends.
(haven't played Undertale yet but I'm also wondering if there was some inspiration from that, from what I've heard of it? :)
Tahrey: OK, so we've spared S'thengir and Nah, and clobbered Gharug, Sigrid and Stephane...
I'm not sure I entirely agree, but at the same time it seems kind of fair.
(Weirdly I think you can still hold out some hope of redemption for every character we've met so far; Gharug has maybe crossed a line from loveable rogue to straight up murderer, but you could argue the experience he had at Sigrid's hands has given him a touch of PTSD that sent him momentarily crazy when he snuffed Dmitri for mentioning the Kvatch Mage's Guild ... and, after all, he was still a necromancer; Stephane has already outlined his reasons for following and helping Sigrid, and he's not *entirely* happy about it ... and without him Katia wouldn't have the crypt-key. He could have just yelled that she was attacking him and, whump, a night in the cells. Sigrid is less evil, more weirdly delusional. She thinks she's doing what she's doing for the right reasons, and a little bit of collateral along the way is a sad but inevitable side effect which will be made up for at the conclusion of it all ... and, really, being around that much bug musk must make you very prone to believing your own bullshit. She doesn't seem to have killed anyone yet ... just charmed them out of their money (and clothes), in a world where evidently ending up penniless and naked isn't really that much of a barrier to survival, merely an annoying setback, a bit like being cajoled into giving a charity bucket-shaker a couple of bucks then later finding out you can only afford to buy a slightly lower grade sandwich at lunchtime than you were originally planning to)
Tahrey: And, well, she's probably still fairly well built, but this looks like it might be a little in the future when she's doing a bit better for herself and has started eating properly... Not overweight, just properly filled out.
Guess it'd be tricky to alter it if it was an original piece by a third party though.
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Epicness btw, as ever from Beep Boop I'm A Robot Ske-le-ton.
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But it is a pretty neat idea, you can in fact get crayola modelling kits now, I saw whilst looking those up. I'd like to have a try at using them as paint, even if it just turned out abstract. The difficult thing would be keeping a palette of them liquid without serious danger to life and limb. Might need to use a bain marie or something, with suitable cladding to ensure all the steam escaped from the far side...
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Yellow bulk pack
Multicultural pack
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Expensive bulk white pack
Expensive bulk yellow pack[/url
[url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crayola-02-0844-8-Multicultural-Crayons/dp/B000NPBLS2/ref=sr_1_77?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1454490132&sr=1-77]Moderately priced "multicultural pack"
(why not just call it "skin tones"?!)
144-piece standard classpack (12x12 colours)
144 large crayon classpack (12x12)
800-crayon super pack (100x8 colours)
Clear wax resist sticks
152-piece multicolour pack
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Anyway, turns out you can buy packs of single colours separately, but they are really stupidly expensive, especially considering that other specialist colour-tone packs are far more reasonably priced even if you wouldn't call them cheap.
What you might find more useful and affordable are the "class packs", which are actually pretty cheap when you consider them purely in terms of buying crayons in general (the worst value 144-piece standard size pack is still about what you'd pay per-crayon for a basic unbranded set in a discount store, a pack offering 144 large crayons is nearly the same price even though you get 50% more coloured wax overall, and if you want to get really serious the 800-crayon super pack is an absolute steal, though sadly the latter lacks white and three others vs the first two) and aren't too shabby when you think of it as a way to get single colours either as it's still about half the price of buying them without all the others...
Something else that might be of interest to you, if you're not just melting down Ikea budget tea-lights to get your plain base, are these things, which is basically crayolas without pigment...
Oh, and the 200-piece set might no longer exist, but you can certainly still get a 152-piece one, with each crayon being a unique colour...
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What you might find more useful and affordable are the "class packs", which are actually pretty cheap when you consider them purely in terms of buying crayons in general (the worst value [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crayola-Education-First-Crayon-Classpack/dp/B00FZQH1GK/ref=sr_1_10?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1454490062&sr=1-10"]144-piece standard size[/url] pack is still about what you'd pay per-crayon for a basic unbranded set in a discount store, a pack offering [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crayola-144-Giant-Crayon-Assorted/dp/B000NPBLSC/ref=sr_1_26?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1454490086&sr=1-26"]144 large crayons[/url] is nearly the same price even though you get 50% more coloured wax overall, and if you want to get really serious the [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Classpack-Regular-Crayons-Colors-800/dp/B00006IFAH/ref=sr_1_95?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1454490132&sr=1-95"]800-crayon super pack[/url] is an absolute steal, though sadly the latter lacks white and three others vs the first two) and aren't too shabby when you think of it as a way to get single colours either as it's still about half the price of buying them without all the others...
Something else that might be of interest to you, if you're not just melting down Ikea budget tea-lights to get your plain base, are [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wax-Resist-Sticks-Creating-Special/dp/B0094GEUUM/ref=pd_sim_sbs_21_3?ie=UTF8&dpID=51c%2BeDqCFpL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=11WRTZKFDCM7ZZR7EHRT"]these things[/url], which is basically crayolas without pigment...
Oh, and the 200-piece set might no longer exist, but you can certainly still get [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/PACK-Crayola-Ultimate-Crayon-152-Crayons/dp/B00KKXCWLC/ref=sr_1_97?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1454490159&sr=1-97"]a 152-piece one[/url], with each crayon being a unique colour...
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bttt
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Vaporwave, eh ... how does that differ from Synthwave? Are the sounds created by squirting various gases out of canisters then igniting them?
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(remember Katia's skin is actually a fairly lurid pink, as that of reptiles also tends to be, when it's not blue anyhow...)
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One in return: it's not the full album and i'm not sure if it's in the proper, but it's mainly cutting out interstitial bits of atmospheric noises and such. Good for getting stuff done in the headphones. Will have to try it in the car now I've finally got my walkman working again and rooted out an aux cable (yeah, they released it on cassette...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KjnlmdA3T4&list=PLhSqBemgCvU3kO7AjNOofAlC1iIix_etJ
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damn, why did none of us ever think of that? that sounds amazing.
Nice work btw. How big is it / how much wax did you have to use for something like this?
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So, complaint withdrawn. It just looks a bit odd when combined with that nicely-shaded style of yours; in flat-shaded cartoonery it seems more natural as the details are reduced anyway (even if Kaz is reducing that one more than most people do ;)... but, you are after all following the vast majority of source material and I'm just mis-remembering... so, mea culpa, and my apologies. Derp.
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(otherwise I would otherwise have capitulated anyway that the other pic has her with someone what droopy, lowered ears, which would make the insides less visible - you should still be able to see them and get an idea that they're hollow half-cones, but it'd be far less marked and depending on exact breed/species it might only be marked by a tuft of maybe-or-maybe-not differently coloured fur)
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Here and more particularly in your previous full colour image, it looked like they were either facing in the exact opposite direction to that - IE backwards and inwards - OR were closed-off cones of unknown purpose, but probably not meant for capturing and concentrating soundwaves in a directional fashion. Ears are functional things, not just decorative - although there are some anime artists who forget that in a rather weird way and give their cat-people both human AND animal ears o_O
That said, it's only a small thing and fairly easy to alter ... On this lineart it would need only one, maybe two extra brush strokes (one on her left ear, from tip to hair, in a curve vaguely matching but inside of and tighter than the existing upper left/more horizontal line; and maybe a second on her right ear, tracing a similar route but being even closer to, but still inside of and exaggerating the curve of the lower-left/more vertical line) ....
... and I'm still quite eager to see how it looks when finished and coloured in because I really like your style and skill even when it's just plain outlines like this.
((might also wanna lose the digital clock though, unless that's either a calendar or it's meant to be magically powered ;))
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maybe later unless it doesn't happen independently ;)
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"Imperial Express! Sign here please."
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The mohawk
The cut over the eye
Oh god
My sides
:-Q
(Is that her Florence Ambrose-esque attempt at a warm smile?)
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Also, 8>3
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(haven't played Undertale yet but I'm also wondering if there was some inspiration from that, from what I've heard of it? :)
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I'm not sure I entirely agree, but at the same time it seems kind of fair.
(Weirdly I think you can still hold out some hope of redemption for every character we've met so far; Gharug has maybe crossed a line from loveable rogue to straight up murderer, but you could argue the experience he had at Sigrid's hands has given him a touch of PTSD that sent him momentarily crazy when he snuffed Dmitri for mentioning the Kvatch Mage's Guild ... and, after all, he was still a necromancer; Stephane has already outlined his reasons for following and helping Sigrid, and he's not *entirely* happy about it ... and without him Katia wouldn't have the crypt-key. He could have just yelled that she was attacking him and, whump, a night in the cells. Sigrid is less evil, more weirdly delusional. She thinks she's doing what she's doing for the right reasons, and a little bit of collateral along the way is a sad but inevitable side effect which will be made up for at the conclusion of it all ... and, really, being around that much bug musk must make you very prone to believing your own bullshit. She doesn't seem to have killed anyone yet ... just charmed them out of their money (and clothes), in a world where evidently ending up penniless and naked isn't really that much of a barrier to survival, merely an annoying setback, a bit like being cajoled into giving a charity bucket-shaker a couple of bucks then later finding out you can only afford to buy a slightly lower grade sandwich at lunchtime than you were originally planning to)
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Q: can't his spirit go follow the kitten?
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Guess it'd be tricky to alter it if it was an original piece by a third party though.
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