AMKitsune: Wow, this is one political comment section. Might as well throw my hat into the ring to.

I'm not an expert in political regimes or ideologies but take a pretty simplistic view of these things instead.

Up to and including this point in history, there's no such thing as a perfect 'ism'. Certainly not as they're currently enacted at least.

For a start, healthy and happy societies tend to rely on the assumptions that everyone will act fairly and kindly towards each other. Unfortunately, this often isn't the case. If the multimillionaire business executive were to pay their factory floor staff a decent wage instead of choosing to amass a disproportionate amount of wealth for themselves (hence the whole 1% vs the 99% thing), there wouldn't be the massive difference in wealth that there is in the western world today. Of course people should be able to determine how much they're able to make by how much they work for it, but when the ability of a person to earn a wage is determined by another individual who also wants a larger slice of the pie, that's where personal greed can fuck the whole capitalism system up.

I believe that the same goes for the idea behind communism as well. If my understanding is correct, the general idea is that everyone receives pretty much what they need from the system and not much more while putting into the system what they can. An attempt to create a level playing field if you will. Again though, this relies on the groups in charge of maintaining the system to be honest and fair with how wealth and resources are distributed. To my knowledge, this rarely happens. Citizens live in relative poverty while the leaders of a nation who's job it is to ensure the prosperity of its people live in palaces.

This isn't limited to communism though by any means. How many other countries and organisations are there where the ones supposedly responsible for making the rules and distributing wealth end up becoming disproportionately wealthy?

secondly, life isn't fair. Any attempt by a government to make life fair is going to inevitably require unequal treatment/requirements of its citizens. Say, a person is born without arms. They can't provide for themselves as well as others will be able to through no fault of their own. Those are just the cards they were dealt. So what? Is it just accepted that they're going to have a harder life than everyone else and leave it at that, or is some of the wealth generated by other productive members of society siphoned off to help this less capable individual? Not everyone shares the same mindset with regards to whether this is good or not, so there's another problem. Is it fairer for it to be 'everyone for themselves' and to hell with those who can't keep up, or should the state step in to 'unfairly redistribute' wealth to those who haven't earned it as much as you have? Of course there are no solid answers for these questions. That's what makes matters like this so difficult to legislate for. So many different people have different opinions, yet you can't have a country that has different rules for different people (not a fair one at least).

There have been many varied atrocities caused by different governments of all different ideologies over time. In the argument of capitalism vs communism, one ideology will have produced more poverty and/or bloodshed than the other, but that's for a historian to say, not myself.

While arguing about which is better/worse though, just remember that the decisions that usually end up causing detriment to others (regardless of the political system) are often made by people who, strangely enough, find themselves reasonable well off and comfortable. Significantly more-so than the people they're charged with looking after.

Anyway, that's my uneducated ramble/contribution to the discussion.

lapma: @AMKitsune: I like what you wrote, but i think there are some things i would argue."Of course people should be able to determine how much they're able to make by how much they work for it, but when the ability of a person to earn a wage is determined by another individual who also wants a larger slice of the pie" Thats true, but its easier to negociate wage with boss than with government in case of communism(common ownership of the means of production). And 2cnd employee can always try to find other job if he/she is not happy with wage. While in communism worker prety much need to be a part of some kind of political organisation if he/she want to get good job/wage. Im from Poland so i can give some examples from my country. Meat and some of the other food products were only aviable to get with ration cards. Or for the example if somebody in your familly worked in the west and wanted to send some money back to Poland, government would take the money and in excange would give you a coupon that you could use in shop called Pewex (Przedsiębiorstwo Eksportu Wewnętrznego, in english
Internal Export Company and of course it was state enterprise) so you could not even have real western money. And by the way those coupons value was way lowwer than value of real money. And thats only a few examples of what communism is in practic. So taking into account fact that in communism country government is preety much in harge of what what you can or cant buy, I dont think that having a low wage as a worker with low qualifications(those are people earning realy low wages) is not such a big deal in comparisson to having much of your live decided for you by government. As usualy im sorry for any mistakes.

AMKitsune: @lapma: Well, this calls for a part 2.

While it may very well be easier to negotiate a wage and switch jobs in a capitalist nation, in many cases it's either impossible or very financially risky to try leaving an existing job and get another one (given the recent economic troubles and poor job market). People are technically free to do so if they wish, but being free to try negotiating a higher salary or switching to a better job can in some cases be akin to being free to step out of a speeding train. You're more than free to do so and nobody's stopping you. You just know that there's a dangerously high chance that you'll come out worse for taking the option. (Not the case for everybody, but with the job market as it currently is, that's how it is for many people. The fact that it's an individuals responsibility to find employment where there may not even be any in order to support themselves can make the prospect of a government having job opportunities for all of its citizens with a stable income seem rather appealing.)

The issue of preferential treatment if you're a member of a certain political party/peer group is a common problem all over. That's just a product of people in positions of power allowing their personal biases to effect how they treat others in official contexts (in short, corruption).

Speaking of limiting what can be purchased with earned wealth, there have been schemes like that in the west before as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_scrip
From what I remember being told about it (I'm too tired to read a wikipedia article right now XD), employers like mine operators would sometimes pay their workers in a 'custom currency' that could only be spent at shops also owned by the mine owner (effectively creating a miniature enclosed economy where the workers couldn't buy from anywhere else. Kind of like a form of communism where the employer could have ownership of everything from the homes of the workers to the provision of the food on their plates. Like a little self appointed government). This practice is illegal in most developed capitalist areas now thankfully, but it did used to happen.

When done right, the west has a pretty good analogue to the communist lifestyle in the form of the armed services (at least, that seemed to be the case back when my grandfather was in the air-force and my father lived with his parents in air-force accommodation.).
While they could interact with the rest of the economy like any other person could (buy stuff with real money), a great deal of their lives was managed and provided for by the military, including housing, schooling, e.t.c.
It's not a lifestyle that everyone would want, but for those who would, it was an option.
Of course, this is just based on what my father's told me about his childhood, so it's a personal rely of personal experiences and memories.

At the end of the day, my overly simplistic view of it comes down to people. Good, honest and well intentioned people can make a system fair and prosperous if they so choose and try hard enough. It only takes a few selfish, malicious or incompetent people in positions of power to make it hard (or impossible) for the common people to live well.

If I had to imagine, a communist state could work well for everyone if it were managed by such a hypothetical group of good people and if membership of the commune was voluntary. Alas though, as is so often the case, many people who seek power and status do so for their own reasons and not the selfless service of others (and for those who do have pure intentions, resisting the temptations that come with said power is another matter entirely).

Mr_O: I highly enjoy this image, thank you for your service.

lapma: @AMKitsune: About company scrip, sadly it used to happen, but it was an exception while in communism its close to being normal(especially that one of communism goals is abolishing of money). And about military as a analaogue to communism, military can work as it does, only because it is funded by taxpayers. Military produces little on its own so it has to be based on taxpayer money. Whole country can't work as a military because it would not be able to produce enought to sustain all of its citizens. I dont want to argue about ideals of communism(i still think that they are wrong, but i can see why someone would like it) but I simply think that communism is bad economic system, it is inposible to create working market while you only have state enterprise and government is deciding prices on any goods. And worst of all is abolishing of money. People have a diversed intrestings and while someone might want to spend his money on a car somebody else might be intrested in table top miniatures. How can a government ration all of those diffrent goods to peope with diffrent needs. Communism kills individuality and in place of individuality creates group mentality. But i came out of track, so going back to military, it can work with all of those government provided stuff because of the taxpayer money. And there would be no taxpayer money without strong market. And last but not least military is armed service after all, so its hard to expect it working like some kind of private company. Well i think i should draw something now, instead of talking about communism.

AMKitsune: @lapma: Part the third

I get that company scrip happened much less than the the communism equivalent My point there was simply that given the opportunity, individuals in capitalist nations have been known to enact psudo-communist practices for their own selfish benefit.

That's a very good point about the lifestyle provided by the military not being financially self sustaining. Honestly, the way things are progressing these days with regards to mass production and automation, the idea that there's a job for everyone is becoming less and less true. In the west at least, we seem to be entering an era where we don't work to produce things that we need, but to produce things that other people will hopefully want and buy. Jobs like food production can be handled by far fewer people now than used to be the case, so people have to try to find whatever source of income they can elsewhere (assuming that there are people willing and able to hire them).

As far as I'm concerned, there is no best system. Disregarding the fact that greedy people can turn any system into a nightmare, both systems have their up-sides and down-sides. Capitalism is great for those who can 'win' at it, but sucks for the 'losers' while communism is fine as long as you're ok just 'making do' and don't aspire for greater things in life.

Yeah, this has dragged on more that long enough. Time for more cats

Raydio: penis

GrizzlyBear: Goddamn. I never knew threads here got this heated

lapma: @GrizzlyBear: That's kinda what you should expect posting any ideological symbol, especially if it represents extreme views like communism/national socialism/etc.

xxx_orkslayergamer6969_xxx: COMMIEEE! COMMIE!

awuwwuw: Fucking fatality.

semiafro007: So, no head?

AMKitsune: The moment when Katia learns that cake can be enjoyed with ice cream. Such decadence was too much for her Khajiiti brain to comprehend.

DarthVader: This is what happens when you try and concentrate on Magic too hard.

KuroNeko: This is giving me oblivion zombies flashbacks, those thing were a nightmare at lower levels.

OgTariq: when its spooky month

Dominik: I think she may need some help...

AppleShrapnel: Dullahan Katia :3

Micropipi69: Kind of weird to me but still a very good piece.

xxx_orkslayergamer6969_xxx: The Psyker experience.

Nicros_Man: Halloween is coming! Be careful for the Boogeyman!

DarthVader: He man has returned!

OgTariq: NIRCOS IS BACK. YAY!!!

APayne1776: She'll probably run up the stairs

Dominik: Now that's an awesome comeback with awesome art!

damrok4321: I like her expression, not that I like seeing kat scared but the way you drew it. Looks hella good

DOOMGUY11: Its been a while friend!

Rick2tails: she can just burn him up to a crisp! do it Katia!

xxx_orkslayergamer6969_xxx: But can she really burn him?

DOOMGUY11: Still trying to get my dream accomplished but its a slow two year progression into my art journey. Eesh.

Caps: It looks amazing!!!

Dominik: Looks really cool, keep it up!

Tabby_Catface: This Rajirra looks so cool with your shading! I admire the accuracy that rifle was recreated with.
Can't believe you're still thinking you're bad at drawing dude.

TempIntel: I like the wind blowing on the hair!

Double_Dee: Ra'Jirra picks Duty. No doubt.

xxx_orkslayergamer6969_xxx: How many weapons did she get from her teammates?

TempIntel: Do you think we will get HL3 before another update?

Caps: The funny thing is that this incoming HL game is not even HL3, but rather a prequel to HL2.
So, would it count as HL1.5?

Dominik: @TempIntel: in both situations it's a win, you get or HL3, or update, so does it really matters? By the way, fanart looks really nice

Zargothrax: I wonder how a VR headset designed for eyeballs of this size would look like. And yeah, pretty good drawing!

Rick2tails: katia as a bad ass is always cool

xxx_orkslayergamer6969_xxx: Where's the Freeman though?

DarthVader: StG-44 and the P-08 Luger

TempIntel: seig heil, Katia. The Imperial Legion is no match for the Third Reich XD.

Caps: American spy getting ready to infiltrate among enemy troops. Circa 1945 (colorized).

APayne1776_2: @DarthVader: actually it's a MP40 but I wish it was a STG-44

MrCoopy: further evidence that the far right presence on the internet can always be associated with overly cute things

DarthVader: @APayne1776_2: well now that you point that out I can see that lol

lapma:
Katia with slaughterfish near kvatch well.

And Katia with skelly in Quill's room.

APayne1776_2: @lapma:sweet

Caps: @Lapma Those looks really good. ; )

xxx_orkslayergamer6969_xxx: Managan travels to another dimension to fight for another cause for some reason?

Zargothrax: @ThatGuyWithAKhajiitWaifu: Damn, that was one of the saddest thing I've seen in my life. People in that grim dark future just can't have anything nice.

Caps: Isn't there a cat people race in warhammer to?

Caps: P.S.: Really cool work, I'm not a big fan of warhammer but these kind of stuff is really cool. ; )

lapma: @Caps: Felinids are a thing i think, kinda obscure, but they do exist and are living in empire.

APayne1776_2: @lapma: yea my life experience will be short but I love that armor

ThatGuyWithAKhajiitWaifu: @Caps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUuvHPr4BGk
yes

ADudeCalledLeo: You totally should've given her a flamer

Regardless, that's a pretty cool model.

Caps: @thatguywithakhajiitwaifu I was not ready for that horror.

Jadezzar: @APayne1776_2: Your living dream is to be blammed by comissars? Bah. The best thing would be to join Adeptus Astartes.

xxx_orkslayergamer6969_xxx: Katia fucking gets mutilated by a corrupted daemonically enhanced Astartes.

lapma: Sleepy girls.

KuroNeko: Confy time
Looks pretty nice.

Caps: They both look pretty cute. ; )

ADudeCalledLeo: you have been visited by the cat and pig of good sleep yadda yadda you know the drill
that's some bomb-ass shading my guy/gal

lapma: @ADudeCalledLeo: Thank you.
@KuroNeko: Yep, Pig belly pillow must be really comfy, and i guess is not complaining about having fur covered head-blanket.

lapma:
Instincts took over Katia when she woke up.

KuroNeko: That face on princess is priceless. It would make a nice reaction image.

Caps: Abd that's what happens when you undergo ilegal laser eyes surgery.

Zargothrax: Her expression suggests the spell also damaged her int by at least 20pts

lapma: @Zargothrax: Eye will heal, but the pain inflicted by beam of light is still a thing.

lapma: Thanks to Caps Priness got bath, looks like piggy is enjoying the bubbles.

Caps: That's adorable.

Caps: Well, I'm glad I helped with the inspiration. ; )
Princess is very adorable And Kattia is cute too.
Do you have a deviantart page that I can follow?

lapma: @Caps: I don't have devianart, but if you are interested in some of my other stuff or just want to write, feel free to mp me for my discord.